Editor Joe O'Donnell email@example.com
7:09 am on Sunday, June 3, 2012
8:26 am on Sunday, June 3, 2012
The Illinois congress is debating on a very weak proposal where they have not been able to pass. The governor Quinn talks about the abuse of the pension systems when the pension systems us tax payers are asked to fund are abusive. Those who have abused it should have their pensions fully rescinded and serve jail time. The abusive pension program needs to have pensions decreased especially those with 6 figure pensions. It is not enough to talk about controlling future increases, there needs to be a reduction in many current recipients. Apparently there is no leader in Illionois's Congress doing this, and the Governor is more interested in destroying the institution of marriage. We need a new governor and a change in many of our congressman. Do not be mislead by many who claim teachers are so underpaid they need their pensions which are much more than those in the private area if there is even one. Ask to see their salaries when they claim large pensions are needed for being underpaid.
5:39 pm on Sunday, June 3, 2012
I know one of those teachers. He works an 80 hour work week on a 44k salary. He teaches because his mother did, and both are proud of the chance at a good future they try to give every child possible. He teaches high school physics and sacrifices more than anyone else I know. I'd like to see one of you critics attempt his job.
7:18 pm on Sunday, June 3, 2012
I know a PE teacher. He works 40 hours per week, 36 weeks per year. He makes 115K and will retire with a lifetime pension that I will have to save 1.5 million in my 401K to match. I don't begrudge him, just wish I knew what a great scam it was when I was choosing a career.
8:29 am on Sunday, June 3, 2012
Please your cartoon from Adobe Flash to a format readable with an iPad. I'd like to be able to see what you've posted here, but my iPad cannot display it. Thanks.
1:50 pm on Sunday, June 3, 2012
Adobe finally brings Flash to iPhone and iPad
12:08 pm on Wednesday, June 6, 2012
Or you could use something that actually works instead of your iCrap.
4:20 pm on Wednesday, June 6, 2012
Personally I have no desire to buy an Iphone. I have an Android. Why should I buy from Apple when they ship their jobs to China instead of making it here in the USA where they would still make a large profit.
4:40 am on Friday, June 8, 2012
Mouse, you must be an iDiot. Once you've used an iPad for email and web surfing you will never want to use anything else.
4:44 am on Friday, June 8, 2012
Mouse, where do you think your Android phone is being manufactured. NEWS FLASH........ It's certainly not here in America. All of this stuff is produced overseas (i.e. China, Malaysia, etc.). You need to dig into this a little bit.
9:05 am on Friday, June 8, 2012
Independence666, there is a big difference between a German company hiring Germans and an American company hiring Chinese Communists. Apparently Apple's flag is not the red, white, and blue; however it appears to be green. Greed is placed before patriotism, and you want to support a company like that which turns its back on us.
According to one estimate if they moved the jobs back to the USA, they would have a 45% profit margin which almost any compant would like to make.
This is what I love about Patch: People like "Independence666" who have so little brainpower that everything they post is tainted with insults. News Flash for Independence666...I don't use a smartphone (too expensive) and an iPad is such an overpriced, under-powered toy that unless all you do is waste time online it is virtually useless. I actually had an iPad 2 for awhile but there were too many things it just could not do that I ended up going back to the notebook to complete. Sold the iPad to some iSucker.
9:07 am on Friday, June 8, 2012
And...while I was typing Jim R made the best argument yet not to buy anything from Apple. Staggeringly high profit margins (>45%) that would make BP blush while investing $0 of it in the USA.
9:46 am on Friday, June 8, 2012
Mouse, funny you should mention that since several months ago I was considering the purchase of a tablet for my wife but fortunately came across a small netbook with a 11 inch screen, 4 gb of memory, a 500 gb drive, wifi, usb port, and loaded with the full version of windows which some small units do not include. She wanted a simple tool that she could use in the kitchen for recipes aside from other work. When I showed it to her she liked it. Did not have to buy a stand or a keyboard to make a tablet convenient to use and enter information. On top of that I already had license for office for more than one laptop so I was able to load that on her laptop along with a recipe program. This is not to say the tablets or ipads are not nice, but if you want to do a lot of work I do not think the other technology is up to it. This small netbook is not much bigger than the others and is so much more powerful. My phone already has a 4,2 inch screen and there are others larger which I would be more prone to buy since they are easier to carry on a belt or in a pocket which cannot be done with tablet technology. If you have to carry something, you should consider a netbook. Bought mine at Costco for 399. You have trouble finding a tablet at that price with only 16 or 32 gb of storage versus the 500gb I got with a netbook.
6:35 pm on Friday, June 8, 2012
Jim R, Apple is not the only American high tech electronics company who manufactures their products overseas. The fact is they all do (Motorola, IBM, HP, Cisco just to name a few). When is the last time you bought a consumer electronic product that was made in the USA?
11:17 am on Sunday, June 10, 2012
I worked in IT for over 30 years and am very much aware of electronics and the manufacture of them. Name one other company like Apple that could make a 45% profit margin even if the jobs remained here. That is pure greed and people should be aware of the way Apple is laughing in our faces. Personnaly unlike others Jobs was not one of my favorite people, check some of his history and also look into the shenanigans with Amazon being told to raise their prices or a number of companies would not work with them.
So also I am not pleased with IBM who sold out their pc industry to China which is now made under the brand name Lenovo. I would sure like to know if there was any technology passed onto China in that deal, as it is China steals enough technology from us. A company should not sell technology to them outright. Hopefully the government, as incompetent as they are, are watching over these deals.
9:11 am on Sunday, June 3, 2012
This is misleading. You compare government workers, many of whom have advanced professional degrees, with the worst off workers in the economy.
9:26 am on Sunday, June 3, 2012
...and of course those advanced degrees were obtained on the taxpayers dime, too.
11:58 am on Wednesday, June 6, 2012
Tim, you are not well-informed. Most school districts pay a small percentage of advanced degrees. I just paid 18k for a Master's degree and was reimbursed $1800. 90% on me, along with a pay freeze...I'm taking it like a man and cutting my own budget, but please don't spout out facts you do not understand.
9:32 pm on Tuesday, June 12, 2012
Concerned, what pay track did that move you over and up into? How many years will it take to make that back? Does that pay raise also mean a bigger pension?
6:53 pm on Wednesday, June 13, 2012
Personally I paid for may own education except for scholarships where I also taught in college which paid for the scholarship. Have a BA and MA, and all but a dissertation toward a Ph. D. since I found myself over qualified in many areas other than in teaching.
9:50 am on Sunday, June 3, 2012
Great cartoon. I would like to see one that shows a working stiff surrounded by the bills that go along with raising a family reading a headline about yet another tax increase. The other side could show a retired couple living off their pension income packed for yet another vacation laughing at the fact they don't pay taxes. Even if you win the lottery you have to pay state taxes. There are Illinois retires who will earn over a million dollars in tax free income through their pensions. Why should someone working to earn $75,000 pay taxes on that income while someone blessed with a similar amount in pension income receives it tax free? I good first step in fixing the pension mess would be to tax public and private pensions like many other states do.
10:06 am on Sunday, June 3, 2012
...and why are the state union employees the protected class? Because they can always be counted on to vote "D" like lemmings and keep the favors coming from their crooked cronies
9:53 am on Sunday, June 3, 2012
I agree this is misleading. The nongovernment worker does have a pension - Social Security. Their employer must pay into this pension fund as well as the worker.
Pension funds are also automatically deducted from the government worker's pay check but their employer, the state, has not paid into it as they would have had to with Social Security.
Government workers pension funds are not protected by a lock box. Funds were used for general state purposes. Looks to me like they were robbed.
With lay offs at the state level underway, the men in both cartoons could well be government workers.
10:18 am on Sunday, June 3, 2012
Thank you Carol! The average person does not seem to understand that "pension" is a real misnomer -- The Teachers' Retirement System, State University Retirement System, etc. are INSTEAD of Social Security, not in addition to it. If we were talking about reforming the "pension system" of Social Security, you bet this would be a very different discussion!
1:05 pm on Sunday, June 3, 2012
Show me any social security payment that even comes close to these pension payments. Arguments have been made that they are underpaid and hence receive large pensions. Seems their salaries are competitive. You can see some of the salaries at the site below.
Some of the political pensions are shown below in the link, but keep in mind other pensioners are in non elected positions such as public school teachers and various local officials in various public jobs. The State Congress should be taken to task on these matters. It is not that pensions are not earned, but the amount of many is absurd and unfair to the rest of us. Our state is bankrupt and these pensions are a major reason. You can see some of the top pensioners below.
You will see in the link below that many pensions are not covered by what has been put into the system.
It is not that some have not earned a pension, it is just that they should be more in line with what others receive. When we have a raised income tax and many are not able to retire at the normal age of 66, but public employees can retire in their 50's and receive pension that could be as much as 85% of their salary and have medical coverage, a change is in order.
10:54 am on Wednesday, June 6, 2012
@Carol B Davis: Thank you for this voice of reason.
10:52 am on Sunday, June 3, 2012
The cartoon should read: Social Security! What Social Security!
1:08 pm on Sunday, June 3, 2012
Interesting point. Social Security has the largest percent of the national debt. Many people think it is China, but China is far behind what the government owes Social Security.
12:11 pm on Wednesday, June 6, 2012
Jim, "Social Security has the largest percent of the national debt" because your boys borrowed all the money paid in, replacing it with chits. If it had been left alone and not raided for pointless wars and absurd tax breaks, there would be no Social Security debt. Get your facts straight.
2:41 pm on Wednesday, June 6, 2012
Sorry Mouse, but apparently you do not understand the current debt problem at all and you definitely do not know the status of social security. There is actually a surplus of money in social security which allowed the government to use it as a resource of the huge debt of the United States. Social Security owns around $2.4 trillion of the national debt. So currently Social security has no debt but the US government does.
3:09 pm on Wednesday, June 6, 2012
Jim, I understand it perfectly. The Social Security trust fund has been raided by several administrations (most notably Reagan's) and left with notes payable instead of cash. That shell game continues to this day in all sorts of backhanded accounting for public pensions as well as Social Security, which would be fully funded had Congress and the Executive Branch not thought of it as their personal ATM.
4:22 pm on Wednesday, June 6, 2012
Mouse here is a breakdown of our debt.
11:58 am on Sunday, June 3, 2012
This is one of the dumbest non thought out cartoons ever posted in the "Patch".
The State Workers had their pension funds robbed by Springfield Governors and manily Mike Madigan and Emil Jones. This cartoon implys that State Employees are somehow at fault. They are not. At least Blago and Ryan are in jail. Would anyone want to pay a second time for something they alraedy paid for and earned? Does anyone feel happy when something is earned, only for a new law to change saying it is no more?
1:11 pm on Sunday, June 3, 2012
If you check a link given earlier you will see pensions are not covered by the employee or the state. However politicians exacerbated the situation.. Unions kept on asking for more and now the rest of us in the state are expected to cover it.
2:15 pm on Sunday, June 3, 2012
Jim R you are correct in an actuarial perspective. However, the State is breaking its employment contract with its long term employees, who honored their employment contract. It is unethical, and will also cost taxpayers even more when found unconstitutional.
9:27 pm on Tuesday, June 5, 2012
It begs the question why something like pensions or anything similar would be in the constitution. If you are talking about ethics that first point should be considered and if voters wake up it should be removed or anything similar from the constitution.
Talking about ethics, the voters have been mislead in the salaries and benefits of teachers and others on the public payroll. Wisconsin should wake people up since we need the same thing here.
11:24 pm on Tuesday, June 5, 2012
IL Constitution only says that earned benefits can not be diminished. Not that a pension is guaranteed or mandatory. Teachers are not in Social Security. If you moved teachers into 401's with SSA, the State could never afford to start picking up the employee cost currently around 6.2%. Agree that those end of career kickers is abuse, but that fault lies within the local school boards. And we do agree on Wisconsin.
12:14 pm on Wednesday, June 6, 2012
Just checking...you think that the contracts negotiated by locally elected school boards with the teachers are somehow bad while at the same time you feel that a central state government edict to nullify said contracts is somehow good, a la Wisconsin. Right? Care to explain how that jives with the conservative cornerstone of decentralized and less invasive state and Federal government?
2:51 pm on Wednesday, June 6, 2012
That still leaves something in the constitution that should not be there. I feel many people were mislead about teachers being underpaid. Maybe they were at one time but they are not currently. So it is possible to take something out of the constitution that should never have been there. We are at a point that something has to give and you cannot keep on raising taxes like our governor to cover it. Without decrieasing benefits salaries could be frozen and no further increase in medical insurance coverage which will force people in the future to buy their own insurance since the frozen state's share will become a smaller and smaller part of insurance coverage. So those with bloated pensions and medical coverage will be at fault what is done to the rest, but even here the amount the state pays for medical insurance could also be frozen for current retirees. Seems a compromise is in order to straighten out the past.
3:13 pm on Wednesday, June 6, 2012
Mouse, it is a matter of reducing the tax burden of the people in Illionois. A neighbor of mine moved because of the cost of living there. Where do you think much of the real estate taxes go. The discount which seniors get is rediculous. So the emphasis here is reducing the burden of taxation because these clowns in Illinois did not control budgets and many kept on asking for more even when other people were losing their jobs. If teachers strike now, I say let them go and look to hire someone else for a lower salary.
1:57 pm on Sunday, June 3, 2012
SS= Social Insecurity and TRS= Teachers Retirement Scam and if The Healthcare Reform Act ever see's the light of day it will be known as The Healthscare Redistribution Act. Depending on government to take care of our every need has been and continues to be very foolish. Ever since FDR we have shifted our personal responsibilities to the government. Isn't it about time we take responsibility for our own personal needs and limit the government to protection of our land and infrastructure and economy? We have surrendered control to our government officials things that are none of their business and then complain when we don't like the result.
4:28 pm on Sunday, June 3, 2012
What we need is a tax revolt. You go first.
6:47 pm on Sunday, June 3, 2012
But think about it these politicians with their Greed and Power go down to Springfield and sit around all day long thinking of ways to TAX our butts but never think of a solution to the problem just "tax it" and forget about it. Now how can that be defined as "public service" ? Taxing the taxpayer?
10:51 pm on Sunday, June 3, 2012
Some may be greedy, some may be bullies, some may be dishonest and some may even be crooks. Others may be hard working true public servants. Every one of them was put there by the voters of Illinois. If they are guilty of anything, it is that they have tried to please everyone, whether the motive was good or bad, even though they couldn't pay for it. After 20 years of really bad math, really bad decisions, trying to make it all happen...Illinois is going bankrupt. They KNOW what the solution is and what they have to do. My guess is that they are paralyzed by fear of another Madison Wisconsin, of losing the next election or even a recall. After all, they are "Pleasers" and the solution won't be pleasant. The tension between the elected and the electorate and all the factors in between is high....surpassed only by our state and national debts. Somethings gotta give...and soon...this madness is bringing us all down...the good, the bad, and the indifferent! The operative words in all of this message is...THEY KNOW WHAT TO DO...hold them to it.
4:31 am on Monday, June 4, 2012
They are politicians and even if they know exactly what to do, which I doubt, they will not take any action until the crisis hits and they have no choice. We are watching it play out right now in Europe. Keep an eye on what is happening over there. It's a preview of what will happen here very shortly. Their experiment with Socialism failed, and so will ours.
8:32 pm on Sunday, June 3, 2012
Thanks, everyone, for taking the time to post some detailed comments about this issue and about my cartoon, and thanks especially to Jim R for some helpful links.
4:33 am on Monday, June 4, 2012
Nice work Charley! You chose the perfect subject. Thanks.
6:55 pm on Wednesday, June 13, 2012
Waiting for your next cartoon since you started a hornets nest here.
An unflattering cartoon of Madigan and Quinn would probably get us going.
4:38 am on Thursday, June 14, 2012
If you want to see some fireworks Charley, do a cartoon on Obama.
4:43 pm on Tuesday, June 5, 2012
It's sad, how many people seem to have bought into the latest, and perhaps greatest misdirection offered by Mr. Madigan and Company.
While it is true that public employee unions bargained very hard for all that they have won for their members remember that bargaining is a two way street. It is unfair to blame the unions if the State gave in too much, too easily. These were our elected representatives. If they were irresponsible or didn't do their job it is not the fault of the unions.
Moreover, over the term of these contracts the employees have put their share into the pension pot every day, every year. The legislature has not! They have repeatedly shorted or raided the pension funds in order to spend the pension money on other things.
Now they blame the unions for the problem that they caused. And people fall for it.
Contrast that with New York State who started out negotiating very generous pension deals for teachers ("Tier One") but soon realized that they could have trouble meeting their agreements. So they negotiated a less generous deal for new teachers. They later negotiated again, and again over 40 years. They are about to pass "Tier Six". The legislature has always met their obligation to the funds and never raided them. The New York State Teachers Retirement system is currently funded at just over 100% and is not a burden on the state's taxpayers.
The problem in Illinois is due to legislative mismanagement, not the unions.
5:07 pm on Tuesday, June 5, 2012
Colin, you poor, sweet naive child. Illlinois Dems and Unions are inseparable. The unions negotiate for taxpayer money, the crooked pols hand it over and the unions vote like lemmings to keep their benefactors in office.
4:59 am on Wednesday, June 6, 2012
Well said David. This is exactly what goes on in Illinois politics.
6:04 pm on Tuesday, June 5, 2012
Of COURSE they do David. And just who, pray tell, elected these "crooked pols" to office, and keep doing it again and again? Oh, yes, the unions give money and help but they are a small percentage of registered voters in Illinois.
By the way, New York, like Illinois, is dominated by a huge, largely Democratic and not notably honest city and is the home of the United Federation of Teachers! Albert Shanker, its founder, was every bit as tough a negotiator as John L. Lewis or Eugene Debs. But somehow they are doing OK with public employee pensions in NY.
Don't blame the unions for crooked pols and stupid voters.
6:54 pm on Tuesday, June 5, 2012
I agree with you Colin, until enough voters become aware of the fact that the Unions and Dems are enriching each other and robbing us (the non-union taxpaters) blind, and we start turning out to vote in sufficient numbers, we get what we deserve in this sorry state.
9:29 pm on Tuesday, June 5, 2012
Would be nice if we could trade our lousy governor for the one from Wisconsin.
9:54 pm on Tuesday, June 5, 2012
I agree Jim R. With two preceding governors in the slammer and the present one so full of himself who has no clue in budgeting or cost cutting measures other than "tax"anything that moves. It really is an embarrassment for this bankrupt State. Wonder why we can't recall him?. Kudos to Governor Scott Walker, a real public servant who delivered what he promised!!
9:42 am on Wednesday, June 6, 2012
Here is a recent look at those preceding governors: http://lakezurich.patch.com/articles/cartoon-other-s-sins-now-on-quinn#photo-9820690
10:11 am on Wednesday, June 6, 2012
Right on Ryan & Co. Hate to demonize all Unions but the one's that protected the factory & mine worker back in the day no longer serve that same purpose. To quote Bob Dylan "started out as a good idea until greed got in the way". With respect to those who educate &/or public serve...thanks for doing what you do but alas - welcome to the real world. You always have the option to quit and join the rest of us in the public sector where there are no 30pct raises, pensions, etc. I say count your blessings while you can!
12:42 pm on Wednesday, June 6, 2012
Sorry, I have to put this in two posts. I could not cut it enough to get into one.
More than a hundred years ago the union movement began to free the American worker from conditions far worse than those we decry today in Asian sweatshops. It took a war against owners and "our" government, whom they owned. A lot of people got killed fighting for improved conditions.
The union movement gave rise to the middle class and the prosperity that we enjoyed in the 20th century, but the big money people have never given up the battle. They fund PACs, think tanks, and other organizations that devote tremendous resources to creating and disseminating their own particular, self serving view of what should be happening in our Country. It is truly frightening how many of us buy into their view at our own expense.
In the 20s and 30s they demonized unions as Communist, and of course, some were. But those unions, rather than trying to overthrow our government, were trying to get that government to represent workers rather than owners.
That is precisely the battle that is still going on today with the "Occupy" movement. As much as that effort seems silly at times the point still holds true: Less than one million people in this Country hold an inordinate amount of power due largely to their financial resources and the rest of us suffer for that fact.
And so we come to blame the unions and their greed for out financial troubles and ignore the overwhelming greed of the corporations and people who gamble in the markets with our money and turn our 401Ks into 201Fs, who use corporate bankruptcy to dodge their pension agreements with workers and dump the cost on our government (us) without so much as a "Sorry 'bout that", and who write the very legislation that is supposed to "regulate" their malfeasance.
And how does all this happen? Well, my understanding is that Gov. Walker spent nearly three times as much on his campaign as his opponents and that a fair amount of that was contributed by big money people from outside Wisconsin. Hummmm!
3:31 pm on Wednesday, June 6, 2012
Colin, the amount is 7 times that of Barrett, and 75% of it was from out of state.
Nobody seems to want to talk about what they bought with that money.
Once again, the pop-political yammering (and parroting whatever Fox and Friends put out this morning) has successfully drowned out the few who are asking the right questions and trying to follow the money. In Wisconsin the teacher's union had already agreed to benefit and pension cuts the state had asked for, and then Walker still cut them off at the knees. This is not the way to run a state, no matter how bad you think Illinois is.
11:42 am on Thursday, June 7, 2012
Colin you raise some good points about the unions of the past. I agree that unions provided an organization to help workers of the past in not only pay but the way they were treated. The problem is that they have gone much further than supporting what is fair, but push for more and more with a threat of a strike and claims of sympathy of their members. There is a lack of fiscal responsibility in their demands but they began abusing there power. Though members may benefit the tax payers suffer in what they are asked to support. I am not attempting to deny the pathetic actions of the politicians who I do not respect in this matter, but to claim the unions are not responsible for helping to bring this situation about is absurd. Unions may still play an important role in protecting their members but they must be cognizant of the situation they are making. If the funds were not handled properly why were the unions not involved in that process instead of just asking for more. Maybe they do not show the same greed as the sports unions whose salaries are an insult to their fans, but in the case of sports I have the option of not attending or even following the sport (saying this as a former Cub fan - yes baseball is America's past time) which I have opted to do for the Cubs a bunch of greedy people. However the state unions and state officials are asklng me to pay for something I cannot afford.
12:59 pm on Wednesday, June 6, 2012
But look at the ridicule Scott Walker went through when the Democrats left the State like crying babies. Which is such disrespect. He stood strong and never waivered from his mission. And what are the unions purpose now in this type of economic climate? And where do they 'fair" in our constitutional process within our Republic?
1:21 pm on Wednesday, June 6, 2012
Same as it's always been, to give those of us who have little individual power the collective strength stand up against being manipulated and used by the few who have incredible power because they can buy influence.
Nothing is new about this. Will Rogers said that "we have the best government that money can buy".
Read the series on Illinois government that has run in the Trib. over the last few days. Just who really controls government in Illinois? Yes, the public employee unions do contribute a lot to this mess but so do the corporations. And just why do you think that the unions are getting all the blame and the private, big money people are slipping under the radar?
Just who actually does control the message that gets out to us, the public, and how do they try to manipulate us?
I get a lot of political stuff emailed to me from people that I know. I check it ALL on SNOPES, FactCheck, and similar sources.
I find an alarming percentage of it to be false, yet those who send it take it at face value. Point: be very careful whom you believe, or maybe better yet, don't believe anything you are told relating to politics until you check it against a reliable source.
4:02 pm on Wednesday, June 6, 2012
It is a better way to run a State. Governor Walker lowered property taxes, laid off zero employees, created jobs and balanced the budget. Can't get any better than that. Illinois is nothing other than a gangster run monopoly....
7:36 am on Thursday, June 7, 2012
IMRF, (Illinois Municipal Retirement Fund), is the only non-state run public pension system and the only state pension system NOT in trouble. Coincidence?
8:11 am on Thursday, June 7, 2012
TDS, I think that you hit the nail on the head. Why are we demonizing the public employee unions for causing our state's financial problems? Because we have been told to by---guess who---our legislators!!!
The unions have been doing what unions are supposed to do, getting the very best deal that they can for their dues paying members. So they lobby, negotiate, contribute, and do whatever the system requires in order to achieve their obvious and legitimate goal.
The unions did not create the system! You know who created it, profits, from it, and lives by it. The "Chicago Way"? "Pay to Play"? If that's how things get done in Illinois just who is responsible for that? Could it possibly be the very legislators that WE elected to office?
NAH! It's obviously all the fault of those greedy unions.
At least that seems to be what our dear. respected. and esteemed legislators tell us and who could possibly believe for an instant that they might try to shift the blame for their own mismanagement?
If you believe everything that you hear from Springfield please call me. I just happen to have a very nice bridge for sale. Really!
11:25 am on Thursday, June 7, 2012
They also receive a combination of Social Security benefits along with IRMF benefits. They are not receiving the same financial benefits as those from the state.
"Today, IMRF has more than 176,000 active members working for nearly 3,000 different units of government, including school districts, counties, cities and villages, parks and libraries. It has more than 97,000 retirees.
Members who retired in 2010 retired with approximately 22 years of service and received an average annual benefit of approximately $17,000."
10:41 am on Thursday, June 7, 2012
Colin-no doublt King Madigan and his the whole crew have basically run our state into the ground. It's been this way for a long time but noone noticed (or cared to notice) because pre-2008, everyone was doing well so again, who cared! Until we effect change (and remeber noone wanted to ammend the IL constitution a couple of years back!), were stuck with the same old group down there. As for unions & pensions, sorry to sound redundant but the money is just not there! My prop taxes go (derservedly) to cops & fireman. Beyond that, I'll move out of state if they go up to pay for anyone elses! Have a great day everybody!
9:27 am on Friday, June 8, 2012
And Madigan and Quinn want to shift the state burden to the local areas. First the twirps raise our income taxes now they are setting the stage for our property taxes to be increased. Seems we have a choice of leaving the state and leave the bills to others who cannot afford them either, or to get the likes of Quinn and Madigan to leave their offices which we should try to do as soon as possible. Can we recall officials in Illinois. In the meantime the unions better learn to compromise regarding the public good or face the prospects of receiving nothing from a state they along with politicians are bankrupting.
11:03 am on Thursday, June 14, 2012
I'm sure I'm in the minority, but I like the idea of shifting the pension burden (and all local government/school costs) to the local areas. Too many people think the state has an endless supply of money, and are willing to defer the costs to future generations. Take the local school board approving teacher contracts as an example. The local community should feel the bite of every provision in that contract. If teachers get a 4% raise (or 30% raise like Chicago teachers are asking for), local taxes should increase to cover it. If the contract specifies retiring teachers get automatic 6% raises, that should come from the local community, not just now, but for the next 30 years that it compounds paying pensions.
One of the major factors why public pensions are out of control is the people negotiating outlandish benefits with the unions aren't responsible for funding those benefits. The school board members and elected polticians that negotiated many of todays union benefits are now retired themselves, and the current batch of politicians are negotiating for benefits that won't have to be paid for another 20 years.
There is no free lunch. Every penny in benefit paid to a public workers costs the taxpayers, and those pennies add up.
4:59 am on Friday, June 15, 2012
You are spot on David. Transfering the burden of these crazy pensions and raises to the local areas will force local school boards to deal with reality. This has gotten out of control because local board members have been allowed to spend other people's money.
12:57 pm on Sunday, June 10, 2012
So, the best funded pension fund in Illinois is IMRF. And that pension fund is payed for locally, not out of state coffers. Also, the Chicago teachers pension fund is mostly funded through property taxes in the City of Chicago. Illinois only pays 20-30% of the employer portion. So when considering how to balance the budget and honor financial obligations, it isn't so black and white. I believe Mr. Madigan would argue that if the City of Chicago can pay the bulk of it's pension obligations for teachers, shouldn't it be the same of the rest of Illinois? (by the way, CPS has also failed to pay into the retirement fund for teachers)
And Mr. Quinn? Why is he in office, perhaps the Republican Party needed to offer a viable candidate that more people could support. By all measures the Republican party should have won this one, but it didn't.
9:13 pm on Tuesday, June 12, 2012
I am quite impressed with the comments posted here on all sides of a few issues and tangents. Thank you again for reading Patch and my cartoon feature.
6:48 pm on Wednesday, June 13, 2012
Deb, I take no responsibility for Quinn being in office as I did not vote for him. Were not people listening when he said he would raise taxes. Pushed it through and now we are paying more income tax as we go deeper into debt. Apparently many were sleeping in Illinois or just plain stupid. He is an anti-life and does not support what a marriage should be, He is as morally bankrupt as many of the other democrats.
4:49 am on Thursday, June 14, 2012
Jim, you are absolutely correct. Illinois voters are just plain stupid. Our state continues to elect fools and criminals and then we all wonder why things keep getting worse. As the economy continues to improve elsewhere (i.e. Indiana, Wisconsin), more and more companies and workers will be moving out of here. I'm Illinois born and raised, and all of this makes me very sad indeed.
10:04 am on Thursday, June 14, 2012
This is the place of my birth also, and it is sad to see that we are ranked as the 49th state in the nation with only California behind us, Yes it is sad as Illinois has a lot to offer but one of them is not leaders. Look at the guy they took from our state and elected president, just how pathetic are we regarding politicians.
4:52 am on Friday, June 15, 2012
I have quite a few friends and family who live outside of Illinois, and a number of them have begged me not send any more of our politicians to Washington. Obama is just one more embarrassment for the folks from Illinois to bare. We don't have very much to be proud of here.
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